Crossed over to ATX, but it has not been the most enjoyable experience.

[Zackdogg]

This opens a whole other can of worms.
Tige is relying on Indmar for a quality engine, and their reputation takes the hit when it sucks because people just attribute that to Tige when in reality they have 0 to do with engine faults.

Tige runs the same(essentially) engine setup as Supra, Moomba, Malibu, Axis, MB, Sanger and Pavati. All from Indmar.

In all fairness, they chose to switch to Indmar, so you can’t say “0 to do with it”. They also could have stuck with PCM, and in my opinion, not sure if it popular, they would have had a more solid power plant, and the customer service can’t possibly be worse than Indmar, although it could be equally as bad.

I almost didn’t go with Tige, because it was pushed by Ford, and have spent a bunch of time kicking myself since. Freeheel sees way more of it than I ever will, but I know I personally see fewer problems with the PCM motors in our group, than Indmar stuff.


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[SONIC]

In all fairness, they chose to switch to Indmar, so you can’t say “0 to do with it”. They also could have stuck with PCM, and in my opinion, not sure if it popular, they would have had a more solid power plant, and the customer service can’t possibly be worse than Indmar, although it could be equally as bad.

I almost didn’t go with Tige, because it was pushed by Ford, and have spent a bunch of time kicking myself since. Freeheel sees way more of it than I ever will, but I know I personally see fewer problems with the PCM motors in our group, than Indmar stuff.


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True they chose it but was simply pointing out that Tige (or any other brand) has to take the reputation hit for something that isn't their fault.
"my boat has been chewing through 02 sensors" is not a tige problem it's an indmar problem.
Over time it becomes a tige problem if they choose not to switch knowing it's an inferior product (I honestly don't know if it is or not, I like my raptor 400) but case by case it's an indmar problem IMO.

[Zackdogg]

True they chose it but was simply pointing out that Tige (or any other brand) has to take the reputation hit for something that isn't their fault.
"my boat has been chewing through 02 sensors" is not a tige problem it's an indmar problem.

I know dude. I just hate that these guys get to use the cop out on 3/4 of their parts. “Actuators aren’t our fault” “trailer isn’t our fault” “motor isn’t our fault” “display isn’t our fault” “pumps aren’t our fault” “gatorstep isn’t our fault”.

It’s almost like it’s by design that they get to put out high end boats, that constantly have issues, and they always get to say “that doesn’t say Tige on it”. They bought those products, they designed that boat with those product, they bolted them on to the boat, but it’s always the other guys fault. The lack of “sorry, we effed up” drives me insane. Probably because of all the warranty stuff they deny me, blaming someone else.

Biting my tongue on the rest of my rant....


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[freeheel4life]

In all fairness, they chose to switch to Indmar, so you can’t say “0 to do with it”. They also could have stuck with PCM, and in my opinion, not sure if it popular, they would have had a more solid power plant, and the customer service can’t possibly be worse than Indmar, although it could be equally as bad.

The problem is PCM got bought out by Correct Craft. Going to your competitors and lining their pockets by buying engines from them is a tough pill to swallow.
Thats why Nautique, Centurion, and Supreme will be getting PCM likely in perpetuity.

Like I said, they all have issues. Been trying to help a guy in Canada that had a 409 that keeps throwing all kinds of codes. I think its a 5v reference issue from ECM or a short in the harness on the 5v. Either way he's lost a bulk of his summer, so pobody is nerfect. Im dealing with touchscreen/zero off issues on a 20 Supra SA right now.

http://www.kemequipment.com/marine-e...rine-index.php

^^I would like to see a manufacturer approach these guys and just buy trans/vdrives direct and bolt them up at the factory or just source trans from Indmar/PCM etc.

Lots of jet boats running KEM and I like em.

[SONIC]

I know dude. I just hate that these guys get to use the cop out on 3/4 of their parts. “Actuators aren’t our fault” “trailer isn’t our fault” “motor isn’t our fault” “display isn’t our fault” “pumps aren’t our fault” “gatorstep isn’t our fault”.

It’s almost like it’s by design that they get to put out high end boats, that constantly have issues, and they always get to say “that doesn’t say Tige on it”. They bought those products, they designed that boat with those product, they bolted them on to the boat, but it’s always the other guys fault. The lack of “sorry, we effed up” drives me insane. Probably because of all the warranty stuff they deny me, blaming someone else.

Biting my tongue on the rest of my rant....


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Unless you want to pay 500+K for them to make everything in house then that's just the reality of the situation. There's just not enough volume to justify taking all that stuff in house they would never be able to pay for it.

Don't get me wrong I swapped brands because of all the **** you and so many others I see around here are going through but at the same time I understand from a manufacturing perspective that there's really no other option.

At the end of the day the manufacturers build hulls and upholstery. The difference seems to be in the attention to detail putting the rest of it all together.

[Zackdogg]

Unless you want to pay 500+K for them to make everything in house then that's just the reality of the situation. There's just not enough volume to justify taking all that stuff in house they would never be able to pay for it.

Don't get me wrong I swapped brands because of all the **** you and so many others I see around here are going through but at the same time I understand from a manufacturing perspective that there's really no other option.

At the end of the day the manufacturers build hulls and upholstery. The difference seems to be in the attention to detail putting the rest of it all together.

I 100% get that part of it. And I don’t want Tige trying to figure out how to manufacture a motor or trans, hell, Ford has being doing it longer than anyone, and they can’t get it right! I just thing Tige should probably step up a little more often and say “it’s our boat, we’ll make sure it’s fixed”. And it could go back to my dealer, since that’s who I have the contact with, at the same time, Tige knows that they have dealers out there that are dicking their customers around, but it’s also another layer of armor for them. It’s all a reflection on Tige, at the end of the day.


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[Zackdogg]

The problem is PCM got bought out by Correct Craft. Going to your competitors and lining their pockets by buying engines from them is a tough pill to swallow.
Thats why Nautique, Centurion, and Supreme will be getting PCM likely in perpetuity.

Like I said, they all have issues. Been trying to help a guy in Canada that had a 409 that keeps throwing all kinds of codes. I think its a 5v reference issue from ECM or a short in the harness on the 5v. Either way he's lost a bulk of his summer, so pobody is nerfect. Im dealing with touchscreen/zero off issues on a 20 Supra SA right now.

http://www.kemequipment.com/marine-e...rine-index.php

^^I would like to see a manufacturer approach these guys and just buy trans/vdrives direct and bolt them up at the factory or just source trans from Indmar/PCM etc.

Lots of jet boats running KEM and I like em.

I’m sure they do, and hearing your stories is the exact reason I said your name. It’s just hard for me, in our boat universe, because I’ve never seen a single Nautique issue in our group, and there are 4 of them, and 1 of me, and I’m always the one that has something wrong. I think at the end of the day, they probably got good Nautiques and I probably got a lemon of a Tige.


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[NG572]

Imagine... You go into a car dealership and buy a brand new car and the blinkers don't work, the steering wheel has a noise when it turns, and the fuel gauge always reads half full. Then you drive 2 hours to get it fixed, only to the blinkers fixed. Then you hear people say "all manufactures have these issues" and "you should just buy a used car in the future". How about... it comes out working the way IT SHOULD FOR A 115K boat? Why don't we hold them to the highest standards of quality?

[UNSTUCK]

I think we are in agreement that all brands can and will have issues, although not every boat will have issues. I have to ask myself this question then: If I knew my brand new X boat was going to spend half its first summer in the shop, would that change my purchase in any way? To me it would. Maybe not so much for the guy who only buys Tiges. I'll have way more fun in a working Heyday than a broken Tige. I wont sweat as much paying for a broken Heyday as I would a broken Tige. The amount of fun in a working Tige doesn't justify the price tag over a working Heyday.

(My next boat will not be a Tige or Heyday.)

[Zackdogg]

I think we are in agreement that all brands can and will have issues, although not every boat will have issues. I have to ask myself this question then: If I knew my brand new X boat was going to spend half its first summer in the shop, would that change my purchase in any way? To me it would. Maybe not so much for the guy who only buys Tiges. I'll have way more fun in a working Heyday than a broken Tige. I wont sweat as much paying for a broken Heyday as I would a broken Tige. The amount of fun in a working Tige doesn't justify the price tag over a working Heyday.

(My next boat will not be a Tige or Heyday.)

I’m 100% with you. I would even go a little easier than that. I’d be willing to lose half of my first summer if the damn thing was bulletproof after. Most of my warranty work has been denied, or a half assed effort. I haven’t even talked about everything on here, I get sick of constantly being reminded about the way I’ve been treated. Literally the only stuff on my boat that has been properly fixed, is stuff I’ve done myself. I’d like to run this boat as close to 10 years, as I can, or until I’m out of hair, then I’m selling.

I know our next boats won’t be the same brand, but mine won’t be a Tige or Heydey, either.


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[UNSTUCK]

That brings up the next wrestle I have. Is a newer boat with warranty worth it? I know right now if I have a boat with no warranty I will fix anything on it and fix it today. I'm fortunate I have that ability. Some just don't. I know I could still fix issues with a warranty boat, but should I have to?

The best situation was when I had a surf actuator fail. Tige shipped a new one right to me. I didn't mind doing the repair myself. I'd much rather cuss at myself for a bad repair than someone else. That is rare though as most of the time Tige or any Mfr. would want the dealer to diagnose it first then do the repair. That's a weekend lost at minimum.

I met a guy on Saturday at the SC dealer who hauled his boat in there on a flatbed when a wheal bearing failed and destroyed the hub. The dealer didn't really look at it and said they would order a new axle. He was trying to get a loaner trailer so he could still make his Powell trip this weekend. I walked out there with him to looked it over. Bearing races were friction welded in place, but the castle nut was still in place. The spindle didn't seem to be bent. I pulled the hub right off. The caliper was hanging already. I would have rebuilt it at least enough to get him to his trip so he didn't loose out on his house boat rental. Dealer didn't seem to interested in helping him out. There was another trailer that would have worked perfect and it wasn't going anywhere for a while. They could have swapped boats.

[SONIC]

That brings up the next wrestle I have. Is a newer boat with warranty worth it? I know right now if I have a boat with no warranty I will fix anything on it and fix it today. I'm fortunate I have that ability. Some just don't. I know I could still fix issues with a warranty boat, but should I have to?

The best situation was when I had a surf actuator fail. Tige shipped a new one right to me. I didn't mind doing the repair myself. I'd much rather cuss at myself for a bad repair than someone else. That is rare though as most of the time Tige or any Mfr. would want the dealer to diagnose it first then do the repair. That's a weekend lost at minimum.

I met a guy on Saturday at the SC dealer who hauled his boat in there on a flatbed when a wheal bearing failed and destroyed the hub. The dealer didn't really look at it and said they would order a new axle. He was trying to get a loaner trailer so he could still make his Powell trip this weekend. I walked out there with him to looked it over. Bearing races were friction welded in place, but the castle nut was still in place. The spindle didn't seem to be bent. I pulled the hub right off. The caliper was hanging already. I would have rebuilt it at least enough to get him to his trip so he didn't loose out on his house boat rental. Dealer didn't seem to interested in helping him out. There was another trailer that would have worked perfect and it wasn't going anywhere for a while. They could have swapped boats.

IMO a boat with a warranty is worth it just like health insurance is worth it.
I'm not going to the doctor for a sniffle, but if I'm in a car wreck that insurance sure is nice.

For a blown actuator I'm not going to drag it 2 hours to the dealer for a 30 minute job i'll just have them send it to me and do it myself.
But if the motor develops a knock, or the touchscreens go haywire it's sure nice to have.

Unfortunately boats have gotten like modern cars where there are some parts that you just can't work on yourself without the diagnostic software and access to replacement parts.

[Zackdogg]

That brings up the next wrestle I have. Is a newer boat with warranty worth it? I know right now if I have a boat with no warranty I will fix anything on it and fix it today. I'm fortunate I have that ability. Some just don't. I know I could still fix issues with a warranty boat, but should I have to?

The best situation was when I had a surf actuator fail. Tige shipped a new one right to me. I didn't mind doing the repair myself. I'd much rather cuss at myself for a bad repair than someone else. That is rare though as most of the time Tige or any Mfr. would want the dealer to diagnose it first then do the repair. That's a weekend lost at minimum.

I met a guy on Saturday at the SC dealer who hauled his boat in there on a flatbed when a wheal bearing failed and destroyed the hub. The dealer didn't really look at it and said they would order a new axle. He was trying to get a loaner trailer so he could still make his Powell trip this weekend. I walked out there with him to looked it over. Bearing races were friction welded in place, but the castle nut was still in place. The spindle didn't seem to be bent. I pulled the hub right off. The caliper was hanging already. I would have rebuilt it at least enough to get him to his trip so he didn't loose out on his house boat rental. Dealer didn't seem to interested in helping him out. There was another trailer that would have worked perfect and it wasn't going anywhere for a while. They could have swapped boats.

I’m right with you. I struggle constantly with this, even with vehicles and bikes.

I’m actually looking kinda forward to my warranty being up, so I can use a local dealer, and never have to talk to the guys that could care less if they talk to me again either. They deny, or refuse to properly fix anything right, anyways, so I don’t really see the point in a warranty, unless to echo SONIC, the chance where a motor or the electronics go haywire.

I think in the next 2 years, I’ll have this boat where I want it, hopefully get another 4-ish out of it, it will be paid off, then I’ll buy like a 2021 or 2022, G or Supra, and hopefully be dialed for awhile after that.


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