RZ2 Issues

[tigeblue]

Greetings everyone, Been a min since I have been on here. Got a few things I need some advice on.

First off I want to say I'm in no way starting this thread to bash Tige at all. I have been very pleased with the performance of my boat.

To start off I have been having an issue with my tower. Sometimes while riding in semi choppy waters I would hear this squeaking noise that sounded as if it was coming from within the tower tubing. Well I jumped up to find the source of this noise only to see that the tower welds up top were actually cracking or peeling apart. This was kinda scary because if this were to break off while pulling a rider I'm sure whoever may be sitting in the back seat may get a face full of tower. So right then and there I took off all my speakers and headed in. I have never pulled more than one rider at a time and no I have never pulled a tuber from the tower(and we wont even start up with the tubers right now! lol)

I always noticed that he tower has always moved side to side more than usual even before I had my sound installed. (BTW I have 6 speakers up there that weigh in at around 8 pounds each.)

Believe it or not Tige denied my warranty claim at first saying I had to many speakers on my tower. They said the warranty department only allowed 4 speakers max up there but never listed any weight limit regarding how much was actually allowed. Now how does that make any sense I asked myself?

So after speaking with Harvey about this I decided to write a letter explaining to the warranty department that saying 4 speakers was the max allowed on the tower, and in no way gives the right to have denied my claim. There are speakers out there that could weigh more than 4 allowed, and that my speakers were not that heavy to begin with. So to me it seemed they just didn't want to pay for a new tower. I mean were not only talking about a broken tower but a major safety issue here. Pleased to say that Harvey stepped up and got my tower warrantied. In the meantime I had to have the cracks welded so the issue didn't get any worse. As you can see in the pics the weld tracks are were the cracks were.
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I had some pics of it with the cracks but you get the picture

I am however worried that with the new tower the same issue may happen again after another season. Has anyone else had this issue? Harvey says its a freak thing and I hope so. What sucks is I'm going to have to redo all the wiring and stuff to re-install the speaker wires and lighting power. Shouldn't be all that bad doing it over but sure is a pain to deal with.

Anyhow moving on... the seats. As many here know the seat skins IMO were made to thin. Causing the seams to stretch and rip apart. Not only that but other parts of the skins have just tore apart all together.

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This has been a frustrating issue as it seems that Tige has been on back order for a long time. 7 to 12 weeks from what my dealer told me. Though it has been a year since any progress has been made to get the skins on my possession. Doesn't help that my dealer went out of biz so now to get this done I have to find an upholstery company who can do the work. I'm happy there are replacing the skins and paying for it but it really wont have that factory finished look if you know what I mean. I guess anything is better than the way it looks now. Everyone always says "hey nice boat" then they see the seats and they are like "damn man, what the?" Ya I get sick of saying how its going to be repaired and all. But hey at least this season it should all be fixed up the right way.

Ok now.. the gel coat. Now I know that Tige doesn't cover spider cracking or anything like that, but what if chunks are falling out? On the bow I have some major sized pieces falling out and I'm really not sure whats causing it? Could it be choppy water? IDK? But is there an easy fix or is this going to get worse?

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I am hoping this does not get any worse. Can I fix this or should I ask Tige to fix this? Is this an unusual problem?

Lastly the trailer. I know this has nothing to do with Tige. But I'm kinda screwed as well seeing on how DHM went out of biz to! My last day of the season last year the tread on my tire decided to peel off. Damaging my fender and knocking off my diamond plate and really bowing out my fender. As if I needed this of all things to happen.

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As you can see it did some damage. Now I don't have a Tige dealer within at least 100 miles and now no one to help with my trailer issues. What to do?... What to do?

At least Tige is helping me out with the tower and seats but its still going to cost me some money in gas towing the boat to a dealer to get this all handled not to mention I have no idea what to do about the trailer issues. I was thinking about getting that new tower they have on the 2010 models but I don't like how low they are. Speakers would hang way to low just like on my buddies Malibu. Would want to hit my head on the speakers like I have so many times on my buddies boat. Guess I'll give the replacement tower a shot and see if it holds up.

Any feedback would be great. BTW I have been working like crazy and it's been a while. Hope all are doing well

[dom w. forte]

Havent seen a tower problem with our boats that run in rough water conditions here in Fla, but occassionally have to tighten front allen stop screws which when they come loose can cause the tower to flex.
Are those trailer tires or car tires ?, we have had car tires come apart on boat trailers do to extreame heat.

[kerlee]

bummer...
At least Tige (Harvey) is helping you out on the seats and tower. Did you clean your seats with anything containing bleach products? I have read that products containing a hypochlorite solution can make the nylon threading brittle over time which in turn leads to your seams coming apart.
How about some pics of your gelcoat/hull issues? Depending on how bad, you can DIY or take it to a local boat dealer and have them fix it. There is a company that will send you pre-tinted gelcoat to match your boat color and you can fix small jobs yourself. (spectrumcolor.com)
Looks like your tire was a re-tread but they only do that on truck tires. Just a defective tire. Did you have your tires inflated to the max pressure probably around 50 psi. in order for them to carry their max capacity? From the pics it looks like you can put some new non-skid down and it will be okay.

kerlee

[Iwndr]

bummer...
At least Tige (Harvey) is helping you out on the seats and tower. Did you clean your seats with anything containing bleach products? I have read that products containing a hypochlorite solution can make the nylon threading brittle over time which in turn leads to your seams coming apart.
How about some pics of your gelcoat/hull issues? Depending on how bad, you can DIY or take it to a local boat dealer and have them fix it. There is a company that will send you pre-tinted gelcoat to match your boat color and you can fix small jobs yourself. (spectrumcolor.com)
Looks like your tire was a re-tread but they only do that on truck tires. Just a defective tire. Did you have your tires inflated to the max pressure probably around 50 psi. in order for them to carry their max capacity? From the pics it looks like you can put some new non-skid down and it will be okay.

kerlee

I had a tire do the exact same thing last year, It was a goodyear trailer tire, Looked exactly like how truck retreads do when they seperate but it was a new tire with the boat, the weird thing is when it lost the tread the tire stayed inflated. I check my pressures regular when towing, it was just a bad tire
I pulled the goodyears off after that

[Carter13]

Could you post a pic of the bow where the chunks of gel are falling out?

[da.bell]

California Trailer Works took over DHM and bought them once DHM filed Bankruptcy.

http://www.dhmtrailers.com/online/home.php

If you need Pat Kelly's phone number to help out with the skins and gelcoat repair, his number is: 916-402-5130. I don't know if he still is working at CWS but I do know that he has a marine service business outside of CWS.

That sucks about the wheel well. I am sure the guys at CTW will take care of you. The new owners are the same employee's that were running DHM from what I understand.

I haven't seen any tower issues or tire problems with my boat. However, I will be looking at it today.

[da.bell]

Havent seen a tower problem with our boats that run in rough water conditions here in Fla, but occassionally have to tighten front allen stop screws which when they come loose can cause the tower to flex.
Are those trailer tires or car tires ?, we have had car tires come apart on boat trailers do to extreame heat.

From what I can see on my trailer (we have the same trailer and tires/rims), they are Cooper Discoverer H/T Plus rated at 2200 lbs. Here is a link to the tires themselves: http://www.coopertire.com/html/produ...overer_ht_plus

[Timmy!]

Sorry to see you are having these kind of issues. How many hours do you have on your boat?

[tigeblue]

Dom W... I have had all the proper service done to the boat and Im sure they tightened the tower bolts when it was due. Heck even I gave them a good torque myself, as for the tires they are the ones Da.bell said they were. I have always left the about 5 psi below the max because here were we live in the summertime it can reach 100.


Karlee... I have only used babes seat soap and seat saver. For one I love how the products smell and two my dealer recommended it in the first place. I had the same issue with my 20V. As for the pics they are in my original post. Kinda hard to see as I took the pics with my I phone. They are pictures 5 and 6 down from the top. There looks like more cracks might be happening

Iwndr.. Yes as you can see the tire stayed inflated and the only damage was to the fender. Looks like a defective tire to me as well. I just wonder if the other ones will do the same thing. Yet I know it wasn't because I over inflated because like I said I always keep them 5 psi below. Could that have been why?

Da.Bell hello old friend. Thanks for the info. I'm going to give them a call on Monday, as our season is right around the corner. The river sure is looking full isn't it? I can't wait! on the other hand I sure do hope this can all be taken care of on a warranty. I wonder if its just a bad line of tires made in the first place. If I recall correctly wasn't this the issue with Firestone tires a few years back? Anyhow Da.Bell check your tower. I know this may be a freak thing but you and I have the same year boats. I have Pats number as I have hung out with him in Lake Tahoe. He actually moved out there a while back. I went wakeboarding out there and he drove me around. Talk about freezing cold. The only time we could ride was mourning and it was freezing! lol

Thanks for the replies guys. I will follow up and let you guys know the progress.

Oh ya and Timmy.... 400 hehe! we kinda ride allot.

[rushin]

What tower is that?

I was going to say the same thing about California Trailer Works, I have the same trailer and wheel's as you and da.

Our rear seat skin is starting to the same thing in exactly the same spot. We have been waiting a while for it to come into the dealer which should be any time. Tige is replacing it after some teeth pulling.

[tigeblue]

What tower is that?

I was going to say the same thing about California Trailer Works, I have the same trailer and wheel's as you and da.

Our rear seat skin is starting to the same thing in exactly the same spot. We have been waiting a while for it to come into the dealer which should be any time. Tige is replacing it after some teeth pulling.

I hear that. You would figure since they make the boats they would have a plentiful abundance of seat skins on hand. My guess is that there are so many issues with every bodies seat skins they get so backed up. My main concern is the fact that once replaced it will not have that factory finish. But Like I said its better than looking at a ripped up seat.

As far as the tower I'm not sure who the maker is. Da.Bell could probably answer that one for you. Mine always had some movement and I never really thought anything of it till I saw the cracks up there.

I have already left an email and message with CWW so hopefully I hear from them tomorrow. Hey Da.Bell besides Pat is there anyone who does a good job with those skins out here?

[lakebum]

tige interiors are not the best, My 97 2150 did the same the first year and the factory said it was poor care and wouldn't do anything so my dealer replaced them. then that set fell apart too. went bad before the warrenty was up so I went back to my dealer again and again the factory wouldn't do any thing and the dealer asked me what I was cleaning the seats with and I said I used 409 and they said that was my problem that I shouldn't use it 409/ Well I told them that I had a paper in all the pager work that I got when I bought the boat that said to use 409 that I emailed a copy of to my dealer, so the factory finaly sold me the skins that time at cost. well here we are another five years later and the seats are gone again. So imo tige doesn't have a very good interior, with that said I love my 2150 and now I'm saving my money to do the whole interior. I think that the 409 killed the seats the first and second time, but what about the third.

[wallacmc]

tige interiors are not the best, My 97 2150 did the same the first year and the factory said it was poor care and wouldn't do anything so my dealer replaced them. then that set fell apart too. went bad before the warrenty was up so I went back to my dealer again and again the factory wouldn't do any thing and the dealer asked me what I was cleaning the seats with and I said I used 409 and they said that was my problem that I shouldn't use it 409/ Well I told them that I had a paper in all the pager work that I got when I bought the boat that said to use 409 that I emailed a copy of to my dealer, so the factory finaly sold me the skins that time at cost. well here we are another five years later and the seats are gone again. So imo tige doesn't have a very good interior, with that said I love my 2150 and now I'm saving my money to do the whole interior. I think that the 409 killed the seats the first and second time, but what about the third.

I agree in part and disagree in part. When I first researched tow boats over three years ago I walked through and sat in every major manufacturer and concluded that Tige was a far better value than others, but there were things that were lacking compared to the CC's, MC's and Malibus, most notably the interior and upholstry. As we continued to research over the last three years we have noticed a dramatic increase in the quality of tige upholstry combined with other practical inovations like removable rear seat corners that reveal a fiberglass step or flip over to make a carpet surfaced step to keep the typical seam rip in the corner seats from occuring. While Tige's interior quality has raced forward to compete with the others, its price has been, too.

The short answer: if you are looking at older boats, the interior can seem chincy. But, to say that "Tige interior" is like that as a whole is inaccurate, because the company has taken huge strides in resolving this inadequacy in recent years.

[da.bell]

I hear that. You would figure since they make the boats they would have a plentiful abundance of seat skins on hand. My guess is that there are so many issues with every bodies seat skins they get so backed up. My main concern is the fact that once replaced it will not have that factory finish. But Like I said its better than looking at a ripped up seat.

As far as the tower I'm not sure who the maker is. Da.Bell could probably answer that one for you. Mine always had some movement and I never really thought anything of it till I saw the cracks up there.

I have already left an email and message with CWW so hopefully I hear from them tomorrow. Hey Da.Bell besides Pat is there anyone who does a good job with those skins out here?

Not sure who makes the tower but it's Tige's E tower. Rushin, you have the Z tower.

I only know of Pat at this time. However, I do remember that there is another Tige authorized repair center in Rancho Cordova. I can not confirm that since Kevin Brickhandler 2 years ago who it was.

[majestic]

I have the E-series tower it was made by XTP.

As far as Tige interiors I personally believe 09 is when the real improvements started.