Wow You Wont Believe What Happened - Orlando Boat Show!!!

[ImaPigDog]

MSRP is what the manufacture suggests and this can be set for the entire USA. Honestly, this is the best guage to pricing even though you really don't pay it.

Again, each dealer gets to pay an invoice price different than another dealer from what I understand. The smaller mom and pop Tige Dealers that just openned get a different deal than the bigger Tige Dealers that have been around Tige for awhile. I am not entirely sure how true this is but it's an opinion.

The toughest thing about MSRP with boats is that the information is not published (that I have found anyway).

If I may, I'd like to use automobiles as an example. If I want to replace my tow vehicle, I can go to fordvehicles.com and see the base MSRP for a 2010 F-150 SuperCrew and the options, etc. I can then compare dealers, knowing that the price will likely vary, depending on the region of the U.S. I am looking.

I can't go to Tige.com or other Mfr. website, spec' out a boat, and see what the MSRP is. That would make it a bit easier to compare.

[murphini]

MSRP-ScheMSRP...

Best thing about America is any company can put out an audaciously cool product and if someone wants it, they'll pay. I am totally OK with a boat MFG and a dealer for that matter making a profit as it keeps them around. I am totally OK with a company having the guts/nuts to raise their prices now. (I am also lucky that I am not a current new-boat prospect because those prices would deter me) I am doubly lucky that I negotiated a fair price for my boat when I bought it at much less than today's prices.

Best thing about boat buyers, we have self-justified the price we have all paid in our minds. While $111k, 72k sounds crazy expensive, so does 40k-50k for a wakeboard boat to runabout buyers. And all boat prices sound insane to non-boaters.

I hope there are enough buyers for these new boats to keep this industry healthy and viable. Our Tige has been and hopefully will continue to be the best emotional return on investment my family has experienced. I hope more families can join in this sport/lifestyle, keeping Tige and others healthy as time goes on.

[murphini]

MSRP-ScheMSRP...

Best thing about America is any company can put out an audaciously cool product and if someone wants it, they'll pay. I am totally OK with a boat MFG and a dealer for that matter making a profit as it keeps them around. I am totally OK with a company having the guts/nuts to raise their prices now. (I am also lucky that I am not a current new-boat prospect because those prices would deter me) I am doubly lucky that I negotiated a fair price for my boat when I bought it at much less than today's prices.

Best thing about boat buyers, we have self-justified the price we have all paid in our minds. While $111k, 72k sounds crazy expensive, so does 40k-50k for a wakeboard boat to runabout buyers. And all boat prices sound insane to non-boaters.

I hope there are enough buyers for these new boats to keep this industry healthy and viable. Our Tige has been and hopefully will continue to be the best emotional return on investment my family has experienced. I hope more families can join in this sport/lifestyle, keeping Tige and others healthy as time goes on.

[da.bell]

The toughest thing about MSRP with boats is that the information is not published (that I have found anyway).

If I may, I'd like to use automobiles as an example. If I want to replace my tow vehicle, I can go to fordvehicles.com and see the base MSRP for a 2010 F-150 SuperCrew and the options, etc. I can then compare dealers, knowing that the price will likely vary, depending on the region of the U.S. I am looking.

I can't go to Tige.com or other Mfr. website, spec' out a boat, and see what the MSRP is. That would make it a bit easier to compare.

Agreed, I do wish Tige had a number range so the buyer would be aware of the costs. However, that could be a double edge sword that would work for some and distract others from buying.

[91Terminator]

I was disappointed we didn't get to hear about how you bought your "navy" so cheap and how great it is. I noticed you didn't include Centurion in your list of evil overpriced manufacturers, which you should have. Just my , since you like to give yours so much. And, not everyone likes to buy repos and liquidations. It worked for you and you got a great deal and it has worked out, but it isn't for everyone.

Finally, the market decides what a boat is worth. If there is no "f-ing" way a boat should sell for a certain amount of money, then it won't. It is as simple as that. If someone doesn't like that, he can either wait a few years and let hours rack up on the boat or he save his pennies.

Ya i agree with wallacmc, if there is no way a boat should sell for that then it wont. Which is the reason why the 08 x45 is still sitting on the lot for 20k over book. They only sell for what people are willing to pay.

Comparing Apples to Apples is what I was doing. We can not compare what the dealer got invoiced since we don't know what that price is and each dealer has a difference in pricing between the models also. We, definitely don't know that at all. However, we can compare the MSRP to MSRP and see how much the boats have increased in price. Now, there are more/better instruments in the boats (example: TigeTouch) now compared to previous years. But again, we arel talking about a $25k increase in MSRP over a 3 year period.

I for one don't see where the increase in price is. Price of materials could have gone up I guess but the value of electronics usually stays consistant. For example: a Apple Ipod 4 GB was $200 2-3 years ago. Today, you can get that same Ipod for $140 or go up to 8 GB for $200.

BTW, we aren't freaking out about this. It's a discussion.

Sorry for saying freaking out i didn't mean it like that. But your apples to apples using apples isn't right yes the ipod went down because its the same old ipod, There is not much the same between the 07/08 RZ2/RZ4 and the 09/2010 RZ2/RZ4. I am almost positive they had to change the entire deck mold or get a new one just for the snap out carpeting. The Tower form 08 to 09 must have cost a good amount to tool up and change that. All buyers asked for snap out, and more ballast, so what did tige do... gave you snap out and 2000 LBS of ballast.... they cant do it for free.

MSRP is what the manufacture suggests and this can be set for the entire USA. Honestly, this is the best guage to pricing even though you really don't pay it.

Again, each dealer gets to pay an invoice price different than another dealer from what I understand. The smaller mom and pop Tige Dealers that just openned get a different deal than the bigger Tige Dealers that have been around Tige for awhile. I am not entirely sure how true this is but it's an opinion.

I agree on that but its is not regulated at all, so its not very good to use to compare, you can use it Tige' to MC but not Tige' to Tige'... Ford has a regulated MSRP, as a dealer i could make the MSRP anything i want, but if i am a ford dealer i cannot.

[91Terminator]

MSRP-ScheMSRP...

Best thing about America is any company can put out an audaciously cool product and if someone wants it, they'll pay. I am totally OK with a boat MFG and a dealer for that matter making a profit as it keeps them around. I am totally OK with a company having the guts/nuts to raise their prices now. (I am also lucky that I am not a current new-boat prospect because those prices would deter me) I am doubly lucky that I negotiated a fair price for my boat when I bought it at much less than today's prices.

Best thing about boat buyers, we have self-justified the price we have all paid in our minds. While $111k, 72k sounds crazy expensive, so does 40k-50k for a wakeboard boat to runabout buyers. And all boat prices sound insane to non-boaters.

I hope there are enough buyers for these new boats to keep this industry healthy and viable. Our Tige has been and hopefully will continue to be the best emotional return on investment my family has experienced. I hope more families can join in this sport/lifestyle, keeping Tige and others healthy as time goes on.

I dont agree with any runabout buyer thats doesn't think that 40k to 50k is not worth it for a wakeboard boat. There is so much more given in a wakeboard boat. They dont even compare at all. Form drivability to performance to custom ordered colors to the interiors to stereo's (there isn't any other boats in the world that have the type/quality/performance of the stereo's that come in these wakeboard boats. Towers, ballast nothing can come close to what you get with a wakeboard boat. thats just my opinion.

[da.bell]

Sorry for saying freaking out i didn't mean it like that. But your apples to apples using apples isn't right yes the ipod went down because its the same old ipod, There is not much the same between the 07/08 RZ2/RZ4 and the 09/2010 RZ2/RZ4. I am almost positive they had to change the entire deck mold or get a new one just for the snap out carpeting. The Tower form 08 to 09 must have cost a good amount to tool up and change that. All buyers asked for snap out, and more ballast, so what did tige do... gave you snap out and 2000 LBS of ballast.... they cant do it for free.

The 07/08 didn't change from what I can see and you said. The 09/10 changed the inside molds only. Cost of Fiberglass for the captain seat area is some money. Cost would be about $1000 (total guess)

The 09/10 had in floor ballast and then the 2010 has the fold out fat sacs. Not sure the cost but not any more than $500-$600 from 2007 to 2010.

TigeTouch compared to the LCD display of 2007 is something. Huge advance for Tige. Cost on this I couldn't say but $2400 would be my guess. No more for sure.

Then you have the tower and the events that led them to that tower. Metcraft going into bankruptcy and Tige purchasing the blueprints and an outside source building the tower for Tige.

So what I am saying is that Tige RZ2's have increased MSRP yearly and that increase has been significant enough that they have priced themselves in the big three boat manufactures price range (CC, Bu, and MC).

From the list, we can see why but still don't have to like what they have done with the increases. We would all want Tige's to be lower in value and when we rule the world one day, they can increase the price just kidding.

[dom w. forte]

The other thing that drives price is supply and demand, a direct drive boat of comparable size sells for less then a vdrive , is there more material?
More people want a vdrive, its what the market will bear.
But we are all spoiled also, we want all the bells and whistles at lesser price this is a moomba, it has the acceseries but at a price in other areas, like Saturn is to Caddy.
I feel Tige has sports car handling with a Lincoln ride at a Mercury price.
The biggest thing is to remember your also buying into a dealer relationship and that can make the biggest differance of all, a 10000. purchase should be treated the same as a 100000. purchase.

[Nobody]

The biggest thing is to remember your also buying into a dealer relationship and that can make the biggest differance of all, a 10000. purchase should be treated the same as a 100000. purchase.

How many shares of Forte common stock do I have now?

Dealing with Forte's is like owning a Lexus, you get the red carpet treament everytime you drive up.
Dealing with Bay Area Water Sports would be like having no dealer at all.

[helmut]

OK who is this NOBODY. I thought I was the biggest Forte's brown noser. I might have gotten more credit from them had I actually bought a tige or bu from them. However, I think in repairs and upgrades they have made more money from me. Poor Jim getting sold down the river here on Tige Owners he has to be lurking somewhere.

[Wake Bandits]

Some of these boat manufactures need a reality check.
I am sorry but there is now way a 2010 RZ2 should sell for $76,900.
Mastercraft, Correct Craft, Malibu and now add Tige to the list are F-ing stoned if they think their boats are worth these ridiculous prices.
Good luck with your sales this year and years to come in this changed economy.

Right on.
The dealers were so spoiled in the past glory days,, they can't let it go.

I'm not knocking Mastercrafts quality, but their prices have always been crazy.

I buy with the idea I gotta sell it one day,, and that philosphy doesn't work with the MC's at all.
Works excellent with a Tige'.

-or at least it used too

[Nobody]

OK who is this NOBODY. I thought I was the biggest Forte's brown noser. I might have gotten more credit from them had I actually bought a tige or bu from them. However, I think in repairs and upgrades they have made more money from me. Poor Jim getting sold down the river here on Tige Owners he has to be lurking somewhere.

I'm one of those that can't afford a "new" boat, so I bought a used one.

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A CLING ON.

[dom w. forte]

How many shares of Forte common stock do I have now?

Dealing with Forte's is like owning a Lexus, you get the red carpet treament everytime you drive up.
Dealing with Bay Area Water Sports would be like having no dealer at all.

My sons have been the largest stock holders for a multitude of sports stores over the years and now they are the largest assets to our bussiness, due their shares of stock, did that make sense?

[gstauffer]

I'm one of those that can't afford a "new" boat, so I bought a used one.

What's brown and hangs around?


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little farther...........












here it comes........















Ohhhh this is gonna be good........

















A CLING ON.

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.
Abraham Lincoln

[Nobody]

My sons have been the largest stock holders for a multitude of sports stores over the years and now they are the largest assets to our bussiness, due their shares of stock, did that make sense?

NO.