ballast problem solved

[sledhead54]

Sounds like you have not found the right set up yet. We run 700lbs on the side we are not surfing, 1000+ lbs on the side we are surfing + all Passengers and 5-600lbs in the bow. speed at about 12mph taps at 6-7.
I can stay in until my legs are done and am close to pulling a 360. 190lbs on a 4'? yellow loogie.

what size boat are you using?

[chpthril]

what size boat are you using?

Big Wave's got an 07 24Ve also.

[sledhead54]

You have not given yourself a chance. Set up your boat right and it will do you right.

I would seriously reconsider giving the Tige a chance. I suppose if all you do is surf, it might be a reasonable thing to do.

I don't want to start any animosity, but anyone who dogs on the TAPS has clearly not used it properly, and does not understand it.

This is not an optical illusion:

sorry t guy, The reason I said that about taps is because some idiot at my dealer told me I wouldn't need any weight to surf, just the taps. So He was either lying or He didn't know what he was talking about.

[sledhead54]

Before you sell your Ve, make sure that nobody in your group rides goofy foot. I know that the older enzo's didn't put up a good wake on the right side.

I ride goofy and had no problem with the enzo wake.

[sledhead54]

i read it somewhere, im 90% sure it was on this forum, that the enzo gets a nasty double lip on the surf wake that really ruins it.

and all functionality aside, the enzo is hiddeous!!!! that stupid, double swirled side with the cheap looking metal flake in the gellcoat... the seriously ugly tower which looks like the bastard child of the malibu illusion x tower and the oldschool four post towers... a face even a mother would struggle to love..

I agree. But looks isn't everything.

[da.bell]

sorry t guy, The reason I said that about taps is because some idiot at my dealer told me I wouldn't need any weight to surf, just the taps. So He was either lying or He didn't know what he was talking about.

You don't need it IMO, but again, you ain't going to let go of the rope either. The wave isn't as big as they (being the dealers) think it is.

[sledhead54]

I would probably qualify that a bit. The enzos at worlds threw some amazing wakes, but they were weighted to the HILT. They had over 3k in ballast, and I remember they were still fishing for lead, and borrowed some from a friend of mine.

I believe my Ve is a better all around boat, and can throw a wake with the best of them. In a head on contest, where the amount of weight was not an issue, the enzo could edge me out.

Here is the bottom line, my kids have been behind tournament wake boats in wake competitions, including the World INT comps last year. They have been to several surf comps, and have been behind enzos weighted by centurion themselves, and the sangers at NorCal comp. When we weight our boat, more casually in our outings with our family, I have never heard anything like "I wish we had that malibu wake, or that enzo wake, or whatever" Our wake has held its own both in wakeboarding and definitely surfing. I also think our 24Ve is a better all around boat, especially for a family.

My point, is I have a great family boat, and I can use it to train and practice my kids for professional competitions. I don't have to drop NO HUGE piece of gas guzzling steel in the water, or put 3k of ballast in either.

I think one of the reasons the enzo has a good wake, is it has a hull that displaces water well, just like my 24Ve with the convex v hull.

I think Tige would do well to promote their boats more for wakesurfing, and actually give it some surf specific options, like some type of fresh exhaust system, and BIG ballast tanks in the rear, where the boat needs it, not up front. Just my 2 cents. And maybe sponsor some family or something to help them get the word out. I happen to know one. ;-)

A couple more notes on the sanger. During the comp and my demo, I noticed that they had lots of problems with the perfect pass at surfing speeds. Also, the captains chair was VERY low, it did have a bolster, but the bow rise was VERY high on the sanger at surfing speeds, and the drivers I saw had to sit on the BACK of the chair, the bolster was too low, and sometimes stand up.

Also, the bow on the sanger was TINY. Not only tiny, but the floor in the bow, like the centurions, was on a few inches below the seat, so you couldn't sit sideways and fit a few people up there.

The tower on the sanger, looked like a nice folding design, kinda like a samspon razor, but it was chinsy. I was thin tubing, and the supports were just flimsy.

Last, the freeboard on the sanger is still very low. However, the sanger had GREAT vinyl. Almost every boat except maybe the moomba we tested had better vinyl than my tige.

So both the Sangers and Enzos had decent wakes, but could no way pull me from my tige.

Not to say that my tige is perfect. The bow could use some type of flare like the enzos to help keep water from coming over bow. The E tower and bimini just sucked. Cost me $4k to fix that on my boat, and I love my samson switchblade, that 3 inch tubing is so stout. And then there is the vinyl. For $60k, it should have been better. Anyway, I love my boat, and can afford to swap it for a enzo or a sanger, or even an X45 if I wanted to. I made the right decision.

what is a samson switch blade?

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what is a samson switch blade?

He has replace his Tige E tower with a Samson Switchblade tower.

http://www.samsonsports.com/wakeboar...itchblade.html

[sledhead54]

I would probably qualify that a bit. The enzos at worlds threw some amazing wakes, but they were weighted to the HILT. They had over 3k in ballast, and I remember they were still fishing for lead, and borrowed some from a friend of mine.

I believe my Ve is a better all around boat, and can throw a wake with the best of them. In a head on contest, where the amount of weight was not an issue, the enzo could edge me out.

Here is the bottom line, my kids have been behind tournament wake boats in wake competitions, including the World INT comps last year. They have been to several surf comps, and have been behind enzos weighted by centurion themselves, and the sangers at NorCal comp. When we weight our boat, more casually in our outings with our family, I have never heard anything like "I wish we had that malibu wake, or that enzo wake, or whatever" Our wake has held its own both in wakeboarding and definitely surfing. I also think our 24Ve is a better all around boat, especially for a family.

My point, is I have a great family boat, and I can use it to train and practice my kids for professional competitions. I don't have to drop NO HUGE piece of gas guzzling steel in the water, or put 3k of ballast in either.

I think one of the reasons the enzo has a good wake, is it has a hull that displaces water well, just like my 24Ve with the convex v hull.

I think Tige would do well to promote their boats more for wakesurfing, and actually give it some surf specific options, like some type of fresh exhaust system, and BIG ballast tanks in the rear, where the boat needs it, not up front. Just my 2 cents. And maybe sponsor some family or something to help them get the word out. I happen to know one. ;-)

A couple more notes on the sanger. During the comp and my demo, I noticed that they had lots of problems with the perfect pass at surfing speeds. Also, the captains chair was VERY low, it did have a bolster, but the bow rise was VERY high on the sanger at surfing speeds, and the drivers I saw had to sit on the BACK of the chair, the bolster was too low, and sometimes stand up.

Also, the bow on the sanger was TINY. Not only tiny, but the floor in the bow, like the centurions, was on a few inches below the seat, so you couldn't sit sideways and fit a few people up there.

The tower on the sanger, looked like a nice folding design, kinda like a samspon razor, but it was chinsy. I was thin tubing, and the supports were just flimsy.

Last, the freeboard on the sanger is still very low. However, the sanger had GREAT vinyl. Almost every boat except maybe the moomba we tested had better vinyl than my tige.

So both the Sangers and Enzos had decent wakes, but could no way pull me from my tige.

Not to say that my tige is perfect. The bow could use some type of flare like the enzos to help keep water from coming over bow. The E tower and bimini just sucked. Cost me $4k to fix that on my boat, and I love my samson switchblade, that 3 inch tubing is so stout. And then there is the vinyl. For $60k, it should have been better. Anyway, I love my boat, and can afford to swap it for a enzo or a sanger, or even an X45 if I wanted to. I made the right decision.

What did you do to fix your tower and bimini?

[chpthril]

He has replace his Tige E tower with a Samson Switchblade tower.

http://www.samsonsports.com/wakeboar...itchblade.html

What did you do to fix your tower and bimini?

He replaced it with the Samson.

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What did you do to fix your tower and bimini?

He purchased a new aftermarket tower and bimini.

[ragboy]

Basically, I spent about $4k, and another $1k for speakers and lights.

I only wish I knew before I bought my boat, I would have tried to get one without a tower, or even purchased from a dealer in oregon that uses samson towers.

[sledhead54]

Basically, I spent about $4k, and another $1k for speakers and lights.

I only wish I knew before I bought my boat, I would have tried to get one without a tower, or even purchased from a dealer in oregon that uses samson towers.

other than it's way tall, what didn't you like about the e tower

[ragboy]

oh man, thats a loaded question.

When I first bought the boat, I was doing a mooring cover outside, so no need to ever lower tower. I knew the e tower did fold, but wasn't too worried about it. We were looking to lease a warehouse, and found a PERFECT place, but the door was a little low, and had to lower the tower. We also had an incident on the delta, trying to get under a bridge, and had to lower the tower. WHAT A PITA it was. You have to remove those big supports on the side, and we couldn't do it floating, so we ended up breaking our lights on top.

Also, the bimini on the 07 was a huge pain, as many on the board have attested to, its a horrible design.

Last, those supports on the tower are powder coated, and you could just see they were going to start looking like crop, especially if we had to raise and lower the tower.

So we did some research and found samson, amazing tower design. Had it done over the winter and am now a very happy camper. 2 of my teenage kids lower the tower and it could be done by one. It takes a minute, no joke.

Also the new tower has a beautiful light setup, quick disconnect speakers, and is extremely sturdy with the 3" tubing and the 1" thick supports.

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Last, those supports on the tower are powder coated, and you could just see they were going to start looking like crop, especially if we had to raise and lower the tower.

My issue with the uprights. However, the powdercoat that is on there can be bead blasted off and polished for <$400. I know, we paid for powdercoating on the uprights that is functional and works.