New wake

[embo]

X2 on Rubrail.

[mjsti]

Thanks for the suggestions. I haven't checked how much space I have between the rubrail and the water, but I'm sure I have room for improvement. This past weekend we had 3 people sitting rear port side and myself at the helm and the wave was a bit taller with a nice curl. I also noticed that even if I stood in the center of the boat vs sitting behind the helm, it helped the wave. I think having someone sit opposite the helm, as brykerwoods suggested, would really help. Also, btw, no bow weight at all thus far. I think ragboy's thoughts about 24v's not liking bow weight holds true.

Here's a couple of shots of the "old man" trying it out for the first time. He's a trooper at 67yrs old! Did a awesome job, will have him ropeless in no time. First time he felt the wave push was classic! lol We're east of Akron, at West Branch SP for those wondering.

[ragboy]

That's a pretty good looking wake, check with duffy on the front weight, he seems to have his boat dialed in.

Our 24Ve is in the shop at wakemakers, home soon. We are going to REALLY experiment more when it is back. Don't worry, we will post about all of it. ;-)

[duffymahoney]

I like front weight, I like a long wave with room to pump. I run 1800 in the custom sac, 250 on the swim deck, then 500 or so in the bow.

[D&P Powell]

We're east of Akron, at West Branch SP for those wondering.

Not too far from where my Dad runs his completely restored 1954 Chris-Craft... Lake Milton, Ohio. Also, good to see it's still possible to enjoy water sports when we get "more experienced" in life!

[ragboy]

Yes, and I think that is the issue on my Ve, and maybe with some RZ4s. There is no way I can get 1800 in a sac in those lockers and up the side with the Ve. I always figured, if I got enough weight in the Ve in the back, then I could weight the front and get that long wake, but it would require removing fiberglass or something.

Wakemakers is going to get some extra weight in there, and we are doing weight up front, so we will see if they can get enough weight in the back.

Your wake looks amazing duffy, no doubt.

[mjsti]

The next time we have a good size crew onboard, I'll ask a couple of folks to sit up front and see what happens. Thus far, with only a few folks, we're seating them as far back as possible to set that rear corner in the water as much as possible. It makes sense that at some point, rear corner weight wise, you're going to need some front weight to increase the surface area of the hull displacing the water. Finding that perfect ratio is the fun part!

Yes, D&P, I'm thankful this sport of wakesurfing has come about. Everyone we've had try it loves it, young and old, and no one seems interested in the wakeboarding any longer. Not sure if I would strap the "old man" to a wakeboard, but didn't think twice about setting him out on the IS mucus! Its nice not having to worry about painful face-planting, twisted knees/ankles, etc.

BTW, we LOVE the IS mucus...not that we have much to compare it to.... But, every one of the newbies has gotten up on it, yet its loose enough to satisfy the more experienced folks looking to play around a bit.


Ragboy, looking forward to seeing how the 24Ve turns out!

[lalh20]

ok... so what's the rule as how far is too far in getting the rub rail down? i had mine close but don't want sink the boat. I saw a fairly new nautique in a post on WW that sunk because of too much weight and water came in the rub rail.

[chpthril]

ok... so what's the rule as how far is too far in getting the rub rail down? i had mine close but don't want sink the boat. I saw a fairly new nautique in a post on WW that sunk because of too much weight and water came in the rub rail.

Correct Crafts are caulked, Tiges are bonded/glassed so the hull and deck become one piece.

[ragboy]

Just so there is no misunderstanding...

This is too much:


IMG_0873 by wake9, on Flickr

This is about what it looks like at rest, the rubrail is not quite at the water level.


IMG_3303 by wake9, on Flickr

This is a good shot from the side, and this is just about "kissing" the rubrail, where you want it for the best wake, yet still safe IMHO. However, "SAFE" depends on the conditions. During a storm or extreme chop, probably not safe.


PB2010-wake9-Sat-wm-2155 by wake9, on Flickr

And lastly, this is a quick test I did a while ago on the RZ2, but I held the camera out, and you can perfectly see what "kissing" the rub rail looks like.

[lalh20]

Ragboy, that has to be one of the most beautiful boats i've seen. Frickin sweet.

Mine is a Z1 and I think my rubrail was that close with just a 400lb sack in the back (or so it seemed... it felt really low). Should I push it further or be putting weight farther forward to keep it safe?

[ragboy]

It takes much less weight in a shorter boat, usually. But the shorter boats usually need weight up front or the wake is too short. Try about 400 on the Z1, and don't put the taps all the way up for big wake, bring it down to 1 or 2, for a nice transition at the bottom. You will surf better, land tricks better with a smooth transition.

[bigdaddy_houseboater]

Sweet Mary Joseph and Jesus thats a big azzzzed wake! I think its time to get a sac for the 20i and see if I can makeawake.....

[G-MONEY]

Finally got some photos of our (new to us) 24V surf wake. Single 1,100lb flyhigh jumbo sac in rear locker (almost completely filled)

How does that jumbo sac fit? Is it bigger then the locker?
The reason I ask is I'm looking in to getting one.

[ragboy]

Watch this podcast, it will answer all your questions:

We worked out how to make the sacs so that they just drop into tige stock system, and then Mike had them made and now you can buy the same sacs we are using in all these videos.

The only other thing to add, we added a spring loaded check valve to the vent of each side. We did this because we made the sacs LARGE and they fill up HIGHER than the vents. This means when you fill up, they leak. One way to resolve this, is to do what Duffy does, which is Genius, vent out to the opposite side of the boat. But if you don't want to go through that effort, a spring loaded check valve will give you enough back pressure to not leak, but yet doesn't really slow down fill. This allows us to get the max weight, for when its just our family. This video here, we just did. This is only me and a couple kids in the boat, and you can see the wake is amazing. The check valves keep the sacs full.

Pay attention to the end of the video, when Joe rides regular. The lighting was perfect, the water was blue and clear, the wake looks gorgeous.