New wake

[ragboy]

One more thing to add. Every tige I have been on throws a good wake, but the RZ2 is exceptional. I don't know another boat in the current line up that throws a wake like that. And very few other boats by other manufacturers are that good. Also, the RZ2 really is the same on both sides with almost the same weight. The only reason I say "almost" is because of the driver side and the cooler hinder the sac a bit, and the ability to put people on that side, so its hard to make exact. But we setup the same on both sides for those videos, and we even have taps the same on both sides, and taps adjustments do the same thing on both sides. There are many people that actually think we are lying, because they believe that is impossible, because their boat won't do it. No lies, no tricks. We take people on our boat all the time and show them.

The other amazing thing about the RZ2, is that you buy one with pro or surf ballast system, replace these sacs in 10 minuetes each, throw in a $5 check valve, and its world class. Nothing more to do, and fully automated.

Duffy's 24v looks amazing, but I think that older 24 hull must be different than my 24Ve. Or just the huge lockers allow you to get the weight right in that rear corner, not sure.

[mjsti]

How does that jumbo sac fit? Is it bigger then the locker?
The reason I ask is I'm looking in to getting one.

The length and width fit really nice, but there's still room between sac top and the bottom of the locker door. Without going custom, the jumbo sac is a pretty nice fit, at least in my '03 24V.

Now with that being said, the empty seat locker space just forward of the locker is just begging to be filled with a sac! The enzo sac would fill this, but a bit more $$. Weight per $$, the jumbo sac is hard to beat.

I have a brand new jumbo sac (still in box) that I'm not using I might be willing to let go. For convenience, I bought 2 sacs for both lockers, but no one really surfs goofy so we're not using it. PM me a offer if you're interested.

[jrobertson]

One more thing to add. Every tige I have been on throws a good wake, but the RZ2 is exceptional. I don't know another boat in the current line up that throws a wake like that. And very few other boats by other manufacturers are that good. Also, the RZ2 really is the same on both sides with almost the same weight. The only reason I say "almost" is because of the driver side and the cooler hinder the sac a bit, and the ability to put people on that side, so its hard to make exact. But we setup the same on both sides for those videos, and we even have taps the same on both sides, and taps adjustments do the same thing on both sides. There are many people that actually think we are lying, because they believe that is impossible, because their boat won't do it. No lies, no tricks. We take people on our boat all the time and show them.

The other amazing thing about the RZ2, is that you buy one with pro or surf ballast system, replace these sacs in 10 minuetes each, throw in a $5 check valve, and its world class. Nothing more to do, and fully automated.

Duffy's 24v looks amazing, but I think that older 24 hull must be different than my 24Ve. Or just the huge lockers allow you to get the weight right in that rear corner, not sure.

Ragboy,

What do you run for weight exactly? I have the same boat and the only way I can duplicate "kissing the rubrail" is 1000lb in surfside locker, 400lb full up front, 50% non surfside, and 2 400lb bags surfside one on the seat and one on the floor. and all people on the surfside. Went out lat night with that setup and 4 200lb guys in the boat, 1 hanging off the tower. Had to go to 12mph TAPS at 1. Wave was insane, best I ever got out of the boat. Have run it with more weight, but too dangerous and no better wave.

Are you able to "kiss the rubrail" with no additional bags? are you full up front?

[ragboy]

Don't put anything on non surfside. We have the pro ballast, which is 250 in rear corner under floor, then the ~1200 lb custom sac on top of that. We use a check valve in the vent to make sure this sac stays completely full and does not leak. Then I sit in corner, plus a couple kids. 400 lbs in front on surf side only. With just me and a couple kids we can kiss the rubrail no problem with that setup. Don't put anything on other side. Taps at 1-3.

If you want an even longer wave, put all 800 lbs full up front, but only do when its flat, and lake is very light on traffic.

[jrobertson]

Don't put anything on non surfside. We have the pro ballast, which is 250 in rear corner under floor, then the ~1200 lb custom sac on top of that. We use a check valve in the vent to make sure this sac stays completely full and does not leak. Then I sit in corner, plus a couple kids. 400 lbs in front on surf side only. With just me and a couple kids we can kiss the rubrail no problem with that setup. Don't put anything on other side. Taps at 1-3.

If you want an even longer wave, put all 800 lbs full up front, but only do when its flat, and lake is very light on traffic.

Yea I forgot about the 370 I put in the walkway up front. I will try with no weight in no surf side. Thanks

[jdhart73]

@ Jrobertson your non surf side ballast is going to counter balance you and make it more difficult to "kiss the rubrail" if thats your goal. Do you run the pro ballast set up, surf or standard?

Jake

[jrobertson]

@ Jrobertson your non surf side ballast is going to counter balance you and make it more difficult to "kiss the rubrail" if thats your goal. Do you run the pro ballast set up, surf or standard?

Jake

My setup is a little wierd. THe boat did not have surf ballast package when I bought it. It was the dealers demo boat so we needed to make it into surf ballast. Knowing what I know now I would have done exactly what ragboy did, but I didn't know. We plumed into the hard tanks and added 750lb bags in eack locker totalling 1000lbs in each locker. Ragboy has 1200lb bags in his locker totalling 1450lbs wich is why he can kiss the rubrail without adding any additional bags. Where on my boat we add 2 400lb bags (one on the seat surf side and 1 on the floor surf side) much more forward than ragboys setup thus being equal ish to his setup. The reason we run with some water in non surfside is simply more weight = bigger wave. I am going to try based on ragboys reccomendation, no weight on nonsurfside tomorrow. Will let you know how it works out.

[ragboy]

First goal should be to make a clean surfable wave. Our goal when dialing in the RZ2 was not to make the biggest wave, but one that would be a blast to ride, and pros alike would love to ride it. The setup we have gives a clean, big wake with lots of push, but also with a great transition that allows a great platform to do all those tricks. And it does the exact same thing on the other side.

At the end of the day, its all about the fun factor. For me, and maybe for you, its also fun doing the "dialing". You'll get it. The bummer is when you have a boat, that no matter what you do, it won't make a wake like that, but you don't have that problem. ;-)

[Stokes]

@ Ragboy
Hey just wondering why you didnt go with the rz4

[ragboy]

Well, because the RZ2 makes a better surf wake, and the RZ2 is still very big. The RZ2 wake is amazing. The 24 foot boats put out good wakes, but to get the same amount of PUSH you would have to put a TON of weight in it. Take a look at Duffy's 24v and how much weight he is running.

With our RZ2, you just buy one, swap out the sacs from MLA that we R&D'd and then go go go. Pro level wake. I don't know any other boat that you can do that to. So simple, so clean, tons of push.

We are getting our 24Ve back from wake makers with more weight, it may be better, but it required a lot of modification. We may someday get the opportunity to dial in the RZ4 wake, but even if we do, I am sure its going to take a LOT of weight.

[IDBoating]

I can add my confirmation that the 24Ve doesn't want nor need weight in the bow for surfing. Even a couple of small children make a difference. When we're surfing, we insist that everyone be in the main passenger compartment and we use the bow for board storage (since we don't have surf racks).

So far, we've found that TAPS can be used to trade steepness for length - the usual tradeoff one gets by adding bow ballast. It can also be used to clean up the top of the wave and move the curl forward and backward, but those are secondary effects to changing the wave's slope.

An aside: We ran an experiment today with our rear locker sac just half full and TAPS at 4... a mildly experienced surfer was able to throw 360's on the resulting wave. I was amazed how huge it was considering that we had just the driver, me, and my 9YO son on board and only a half sac of water.

[ragboy]

We ride many times with less weight, especially for beginners. The video of jesse getting up is 400 lbs on surf side, nothing else but people, NOTHING in rear tanks.

Correction: Starting from about halfway, July 14th on is just people, about 500+ on surf side no sacs in rear filled.

[Wickedcummins]

One more thing to add. Every tige I have been on throws a good wake, but the RZ2 is exceptional. I don't know another boat in the current line up that throws a wake like that. And very few other boats by other manufacturers are that good. Also, the RZ2 really is the same on both sides with almost the same weight. The only reason I say "almost" is because of the driver side and the cooler hinder the sac a bit, and the ability to put people on that side, so its hard to make exact. But we setup the same on both sides for those videos, and we even have taps the same on both sides, and taps adjustments do the same thing on both sides. There are many people that actually think we are lying, because they believe that is impossible, because their boat won't do it. No lies, no tricks. We take people on our boat all the time and show them.

The other amazing thing about the RZ2, is that you buy one with pro or surf ballast system, replace these sacs in 10 minuetes each, throw in a $5 check valve, and its world class. Nothing more to do, and fully automated.

Duffy's 24v looks amazing, but I think that older 24 hull must be different than my 24Ve. Or just the huge lockers allow you to get the weight right in that rear corner, not sure.

Are you saying the RZ2 throws a better wake then the V hulls?

[Wickedcummins]

Run 1400 in the locker and WE added a 1,100 to the center floor and the wave was INSANE and long and tons of push and height... Its a ton of fun but annoying on the floor

[ragboy]

I would think that the 22Ve and the RZ2 would be the same. I have asked designer at Tige, and he says the running surfaces are the same. So I wasn't saying that the RZ hulls were better for surfing than Ve hulls. I was saying that the 22 hulls are better than the 24 with the caveat that that if you throw an enormous amount of weight in the 24, it may be as good or better. This is common in other boats. I know many people with Enzos that swear the 23 is better than the 24 for instance.

The above being said, I know a couple of 22Ve owners that have surfed my wake on the RZ2 and they say their 22Ve wake is not as good, it doesn't have as much push as my RZ2. Ask majestic about that, he may have some more insight. He has surfed my wake many times and has a 22Ve.