2019 R20 looking for ballast setup help

[markc2008]

Hey guys, not sure why, but it is really hard to find much info on the R20. It is like the red headed step child that no one claimed lol. Anyways, I am enjoying my new boat, however, the surf wave has left some to be desired. I have tried 60% front 100% rear with both taps set to 3 and 4. I have messed with front weight and not getting a huge amount of change. My issue is the wave doesn’t get real tall and it seems washed out. I can get enough push out of it but just not the best wave. Does anyone have any advice? Also, I have looked for aftermarket bags bug WakeMAKERS doesn’t even list replacements for the R20 just the rzx. I also have two other questions, one, if you get larger bags does your balllast sensors still work telling you how full your getting? And lastly, does anyone else have a problem when first being towed the wave does not develop until a minute after getting to speed? I’ve never surged behind a boat where you have to fight through the wash out before the wave develops. Just trying to learn more about this thing and hope others have experience. Thanks guys!

[rjlloyd]

I’m new as well with an R23. I’m gonna use this as a starting point. Maybe it will help.


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[chpthril]

I can help you with a larger custom sac, I just dont have the details on hand to already have one designed.

[markc2008]

Thanks guys. So if I put larger rear bags in will my screen controls still work the same? Such as the full and drain levels? Just curious how the gauge sensors work. Also, with taps3 is it supposed to take a minute to form the wave when your pulled out of water? It’s like I have to pull through white water rapids until the boat hits cruise speed then the wave finally forms

[chpthril]

The ballast gauges are controlled with a timer algorithm, and can be calibrated IIRC. I also believe the TAPS-3 retracts when under surf speed, so it has to redeploy when back underway. Id check with my dealer to make sure the system has the latest and greatest updates. I do not think the 2019's had the actuator glitches that past TAPS=3 boats did, but I would not presume them to be fully functioning. Worth inspecting their travel.

[markc2008]

How would I inspect their travel if they only deploy at surf speed? I apologize if that’s a dumb question. So Your saying the gauges only speculate how full or empty a bag is by a timer and formula? So there is a way to push back the timer to tell? I guess you would probably just mess with the timer numbers until it reads full at the same time it starts coming out the overflow?

[rjlloyd]

Go into your settings and find the ballast settings. You’ll see default times to fill and drain the bow and aft tanks. The computer uses these times to compute percentages. They likely default to like 6 minutes which in my boat is close but not long enough for the aft especially so I would change all of these to at least 10 minutes and start a timer and time the fill to spill for the bow and aft tanks. Aft tanks take longer since they are larger. Then drain the tanks and time that as well. Once you have the times to fill and drain then adjust the settings to match.

Just a thought. You may not have actually had your tanks 100% full if the pumps were shutting off before the tanks were overfilling which would definitely effect your wave.

I’m trying to figure out my times and what people do because the only way to know a tank or bag is truly 100% full is to fill to spill. So I want my timer to shut off soon after that happens, but not too long after it happens or before it happens or the percentages will be off. I think next time I’m on the boat I’ll time again and add 15 seconds to the fill and drain times and change the settings.

I’d love to hear what other people’s techniques and times are.

For reference my fill times are 5:21 for bow and 8:50 for aft.

2019 R23 with stock plus plug and play aft.


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[markc2008]

Awesome thanks for the feedback on that. So you have a 19 R23? I wander if we have the same fuel gauge.. does your fuel gauge read erratically? Like one min it says 78 the next it says 54 then bounces back high/low, etc. these fuel gauge setups are hard to tell what you have lol

[chpthril]

There is a dealer mode to activate the TAPS-3 out of the water, but you need to know what you are looking for.

[Bamer]

Go into your settings and find the ballast settings. You’ll see default times to fill and drain the bow and aft tanks. The computer uses these times to compute percentages. They likely default to like 6 minutes which in my boat is close but not long enough for the aft especially so I would change all of these to at least 10 minutes and start a timer and time the fill to spill for the bow and aft tanks. Aft tanks take longer since they are larger. Then drain the tanks and time that as well. Once you have the times to fill and drain then adjust the settings to match.

Just a thought. You may not have actually had your tanks 100% full if the pumps were shutting off before the tanks were overfilling which would definitely effect your wave.

I’m trying to figure out my times and what people do because the only way to know a tank or bag is truly 100% full is to fill to spill. So I want my timer to shut off soon after that happens, but not too long after it happens or before it happens or the percentages will be off. I think next time I’m on the boat I’ll time again and add 15 seconds to the fill and drain times and change the settings.

I’d love to hear what other people’s techniques and times are.

For reference my fill times are 5:21 for bow and 8:50 for aft.

2019 R23 with stock plus plug and play aft.


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Do you have a large L shape rears that go under the seats?


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[Bamer]

Dealer mode code is 9191... iirc...

Fuel gauge fluctuations are normal. There’s a recent thread that goes into detail about fuel gauge readings......

I have 2019 R23 too...


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[rjlloyd]

Yes the bags in the back start in the rear locker and go forward up under the side seats.

As Bamer says fuel gauges bounce around. I haven’t seen the other discussion but I would only trust the gauge while stopped.


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[Bamer]

Fuel Level Reading Variance - Which Is Accurate
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[markc2008]

Thanks everyone on the fuel gauge. My bags actually don’t go under the rear seats just in the locker

[outkastmunkey]

Hey guys, not sure why, but it is really hard to find much info on the R20. It is like the red headed step child that no one claimed lol. Anyways, I am enjoying my new boat, however, the surf wave has left some to be desired. I have tried 60% front 100% rear with both taps set to 3 and 4. I have messed with front weight and not getting a huge amount of change. My issue is the wave doesn’t get real tall and it seems washed out. I can get enough push out of it but just not the best wave. Does anyone have any advice? Also, I have looked for aftermarket bags bug WakeMAKERS doesn’t even list replacements for the R20 just the rzx. I also have two other questions, one, if you get larger bags does your balllast sensors still work telling you how full your getting? And lastly, does anyone else have a problem when first being towed the wave does not develop until a minute after getting to speed? I’ve never surged behind a boat where you have to fight through the wash out before the wave develops. Just trying to learn more about this thing and hope others have experience. Thanks guys!

Hey guys, not sure why, but it is really hard to find much info on the R20. It is like the red headed step child that no one claimed lol. Anyways, I am enjoying my new boat, however, the surf wave has left some to be desired. I have tried 60% front 100% rear with both taps set to 3 and 4. I have messed with front weight and not getting a huge amount of change. My issue is the wave doesn’t get real tall and it seems washed out. I can get enough push out of it but just not the best wave. Does anyone have any advice? Also, I have looked for aftermarket bags bug WakeMAKERS doesn’t even list replacements for the R20 just the rzx. I also have two other questions, one, if you get larger bags does your balllast sensors still work telling you how full your getting? And lastly, does anyone else have a problem when first being towed the wave does not develop until a minute after getting to speed? I’ve never surged behind a boat where you have to fight through the wash out before the wave develops. Just trying to learn more about this thing and hope others have experience. Thanks guys!

I bought the larger bags from chpthril for my R20 it’s a 2016 and the front timers are set to 6 minutes they fill way before that. The rear bigger bags are set to 10:00 minutes they are full probably by 9. I fill to spill with the newer bags and I have leaving the front full. I also bring along 500lbs of lead as it’s just me and my buddy most of the time and flip it around like it’s people. It’s has tons of push want to clean the lip up a bit though.




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