Full GSA system for sale

[UNSTUCK]

He empties his inbox every morning at 9. At 10am it’s full again. I’d suggest trying again at 930am tomorrow.

[Germaine Marine]

Just message my cell. 714-306-3999.... this inbox crap as josh suggested has become too much lol.


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[cnote]

one more question for those on the know... does GSA retrofit and integrate with TT2 screen? ('18 R23 tige clear large screen was not an option)

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[Zackdogg]

It will work with the TT2, as far as actuator control. There is a bunch of info on mounting the plates and actuators between the GSA website, and Unstuck’s thread that’s down a few from the top in General. I figured it all out from those 2.


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[Zackdogg]

Dakota, I think you’d sell easier if you split it up.. plates to me, and everything else to whoever wants it!! I heard there are a bunch of people out there that wants everything but the plates.


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[dakota4ce]

Dakota, I think you’d sell easier if you split it up.. plates to me, and everything else to whoever wants it!! I heard there are a bunch of people out there that wants everything but the plates.


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Hmmmm I have never encountered a single person who wants everything but the plates.

Although I don’t have the money yet, a local friend and I are planning to slap it onto his Supra Launch next week.

So it’s **likely** sold. But not quite official yet.


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[Zackdogg]

I’m just effing around, I don’t have any illusions that you’d sell just the plates, everything else would be garbage, without them.. unless you really just want to sell the plates, then I’m a buyer..

Everyone putting them on the newer Tiges is using those plates, and having Taps control them. Supposedly a significantly better wave than the taps plates, and you just use your current system to run it just like taps..


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[cnote]

Gsa tabs yes. The new system tige is using no. Only difference is the way tige is driving them and the interface.

Plate design is the same.

We can help ya out with parts direct if needed. Gsa doesn’t usually sell separate from the whole kit


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So...if i were to want to retrofit gsa tabs only (still using lencos and tt2) sounds like that's a doable retrofit? Justin told my dealer they wouldn't do a complete system retrofit, but seems the benefit of just the gsa tabs would get what I'm after. Sent a PM on messenger on same topic. thanks elevated (now germaine marine)!

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[Cek1]

GSA will sell just the plates. I bought a set a few months ago.

I’m just effing around, I don’t have any illusions that you’d sell just the plates, everything else would be garbage, without them.. unless you really just want to sell the plates, then I’m a buyer..

Everyone putting them on the newer Tiges is using those plates, and having Taps control them. Supposedly a significantly better wave than the taps plates, and you just use your current system to run it just like taps..


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[miller]

To retro fit the gsa plates, you will need to attach the plates and move the actuator mount position? I assume the gsa plates will require a different angle.

[JohnnieMo]

Wave shape etc won't change much. What this system is doing is changing the yaw characteristics which in turn help build a stronger rear end of the wave. The key caveat here is that the system is inducing way more yaw with much less plate being deployed. Now you ask why that's important. The answer to that is simply that its allowing way more of the rear part of the boat to settle in the water vs other systems. Taps 3 for example is deploying roughly 24-40 degrees of plate in the water to reach the necessary yaw. Maybe not a huge issue until you understand the physics behind it. Its inducing a ton of lift to get to that point. To simplify it, you are leveraging all of that ballast you put in the boat right back out.

This is a terrific explanation. I think it also explains why the pre-TAPS3 boats need more front ballast than the TAPS3 boats. We don't have tabs pushing the nose down.

If your science holds true here, doesn't that mean a gate is a superior design to a tab?? This has always been my theory, but only proven in my own po-dunk testing.

[Zackdogg]

Full GSA system for sale

To retro fit the gsa plates, you will need to attach the plates and move the actuator mount position? I assume the gsa plates will require a different angle.

Correct, they are much closer to the plate itself. Which is also supposed to be easier on the Lencos and have a lower failure rate than on the Taps plates.


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[Zackdogg]

GSA will sell just the plates. I bought a set a few months ago.

That’s good to know. Hopefully they’re realizing there’s a potential big market out the for customers that just want to retrofit to their old systems and don’t need the electronic side.


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[UNSTUCK]

If your science holds true here, doesn't that mean a gate is a superior design to a tab?? This has always been my theory, but only proven in my own po-dunk testing.

That probably depends who you ask, Tige lover vs Malibu lover. They seem to both have undesirable effects. Reports are all over that some gate boats don't steer while surfing. While I try to go as straight as I can, I still need to be able to steer now and then. Boat builders figured out the delayed convergence theory and it probably makes up 98% of making a surfable wave. Now they are all going nuts trying to dial in the last 2%, while not stepping on each others patents and making the next big marketing statement.

[Bamer]

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That probably depends who you ask, Tige lover vs Malibu lover. They seem to both have undesirable effects. Reports are all over that some gate boats don't steer while surfing. While I try to go as straight as I can, I still need to be able to steer now and then. Boat builders figured out the delayed convergence theory and it probably makes up 98% of making a surfable wave. Now they are all going nuts trying to dial in the last 2%, while not stepping on each others patents and making the next big marketing statement.

From a strict design of experiment standpoint, having independent control of all the variables is important. This means you should have 1 input that controls Yaw, a separate input for roll and separate input for pitch. UNSTUCK is right on IMO, if the manufacturers could set aside patients (this will never happen) then these surfs systems would converge into one optimal system that could be put into any boat from any manufacturer and the system would have enough independent control of the boats attitude (roll, pitch and Yaw) to get the optimal wave from said boat for the given ballast installed.

Take Taps3 for example, these plates roll, yaw and pitch the boat with 1 input(plate deployment). The trade space is closed out which would require a different plate for different size boats and different hull designs. But that is what happens when so much Patents stuff gets in the way.

Can anyone verify that Tige uses different Taps3 plates on different boats?


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