Full GSA system for sale

[dakota4ce]

One month old, stainless steel tabs. $3000


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[sandm]

tempted. but wrong time. if this was feb. might have been a different story....

[dakota4ce]

tempted. but wrong time. if this was feb. might have been a different story....

Good news is GSA has plenty of kits for you when the time is right!


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[cnote]

sorry to hijack thread, but i gotta ask. I hear ppl talk about how gsa is better than taps 3. obviously tige thinks so also or they wouldn't have moved to it.

So i guess id like to ask what is the wave difference between the two? How does it compare to a gate (Malibu) or gate-ish wave? What wave attributes make it an improvement over those systems, esp taps 3?

I would actually consider this upgrade if someone could articulate the difference / improvement.

thoughts?

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[Germaine Marine]

sorry to hijack thread, but i gotta ask. I hear ppl talk about how gsa is better than taps 3. obviously tige thinks so also or they wouldn't have moved to it.

So i guess id like to ask what is the wave difference between the two? How does it compare to a gate (Malibu) or gate-ish wave? What wave attributes make it an improvement over those systems, esp taps 3?

I would actually consider this upgrade if someone could articulate the difference / improvement.

thoughts?

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Wave shape etc won't change much. What this system is doing is changing the yaw characteristics which in turn help build a stronger rear end of the wave. The key caveat here is that the system is inducing way more yaw with much less plate being deployed. Now you ask why that's important. The answer to that is simply that its allowing way more of the rear part of the boat to settle in the water vs other systems. Taps 3 for example is deploying roughly 24-40 degrees of plate in the water to reach the necessary yaw. Maybe not a huge issue until you understand the physics behind it. Its inducing a ton of lift to get to that point. To simplify it, you are leveraging all of that ballast you put in the boat right back out.

Gsa is accomplishing 2x the yaw while only needing to be deployed roughly 6-10 degrees. Couple that with the fact that the system is designed with a wide arc angle in terms of deployment and you have all the makings of why its vastly better. Gsa can swing nearly 50 degrees if needed. The reason why that's important is because we also don't want even a hint of plate touching the water on the surf side. We want the water releasing clean off the hull. At nearly 30 degrees of stowed angle and the necessary 11 or so of deployed, it crushes that. Taps 3 stowed angle is limited to only being able to get so much plate out of the water. It works great and the system/plates were designed to be able to touch the water a little, but we think when you really start pushing the envelope this becomes a limiting factor.

The proof you need is seeing what an R series boat does stock with the new system vs the old system. The wave is drastically taller mainly because the system isn't inducing the lift that taps 3 does. This results in a much better factory wave with factory weight, and is most evident in the R line.

[Germaine Marine]

I think Dave Powell can probably add his .02. He had taps 3 then went to GSA on a 2015 z3. The difference in factory weight waves was pretty drastic. He is a big lead guy and he told me he could take the boat out stock now and have a blast. Is it still better with weight? Sure, but the system factory now vs factory before has a pretty significant margin.

[cnote]

I think Dave Powell can probably add his .02. He had taps 3 then went to GSA on a 2015 z3. The difference in factory weight waves was pretty drastic. He is a big lead guy and he told me he could take the boat out stock now and have a blast. Is it still better with weight? Sure, but the system factory now vs factory before has a pretty significant margin.

thanks elevated. the this is key for me in my ridiculous quest for a better wave. im running lead and probably always will. so if i slam my taps hull it sets it off. sounds like not the same level of incremental improvement with a gsa boat, but still good. going to get with the boys here at eagle marine and see if i can get some on-water tests. i really want that 23zx but might be a couple of years out yet. In the meantime an incremental improvement on the R may hold me over from spending stupid $$$. for a minute.

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[cnote]

also @elevated, if I'm understanding your explanation of gsa wave characteristics im hearing that push at the back is stronger vs taps. i like to think recovery on my slammed R23 is good, but hey more is better.

Did i understand you correctly ? If so, especially when learning new tricks for forgiveness and also getting further back to gather more speed for airs, etc. that is a for sure selling point for me. water test is def in order.

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[UNSTUCK]

I have very little time behind my GSA knock off tabs but I can already tell a bug improvement in push at the back end. That alone is a great selling point.

[cnote]

Wave shape etc won't change much. What this system is doing is changing the yaw characteristics which in turn help build a stronger rear end of the wave. The key caveat here is that the system is inducing way more yaw with much less plate being deployed. Now you ask why that's important. The answer to that is simply that its allowing way more of the rear part of the boat to settle in the water vs other systems. Taps 3 for example is deploying roughly 24-40 degrees of plate in the water to reach the necessary yaw. Maybe not a huge issue until you understand the physics behind it. Its inducing a ton of lift to get to that point. To simplify it, you are leveraging all of that ballast you put in the boat right back out.

Gsa is accomplishing 2x the yaw while only needing to be deployed roughly 6-10 degrees. Couple that with the fact that the system is designed with a wide arc angle in terms of deployment and you have all the makings of why its vastly better. Gsa can swing nearly 50 degrees if needed. The reason why that's important is because we also don't want even a hint of plate touching the water on the surf side. We want the water releasing clean off the hull. At nearly 30 degrees of stowed angle and the necessary 11 or so of deployed, it crushes that. Taps 3 stowed angle is limited to only being able to get so much plate out of the water. It works great and the system/plates were designed to be able to touch the water a little, but we think when you really start pushing the envelope this becomes a limiting factor.

The proof you need is seeing what an R series boat does stock with the new system vs the old system. The wave is drastically taller mainly because the system isn't inducing the lift that taps 3 does. This results in a much better factory wave with factory weight, and is most evident in the R line.

All awesome info, thank you! one more question. will gsa tabs (and I assume new actuators) work with existing TT2 screen and settings?

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[Germaine Marine]

thanks elevated. the this is key for me in my ridiculous quest for a better wave. im running lead and probably always will. so if i slam my taps hull it sets it off. sounds like not the same level of incremental improvement with a gsa boat, but still good. going to get with the boys here at eagle marine and see if i can get some on-water tests. i really want that 23zx but might be a couple of years out yet. In the meantime an incremental improvement on the R may hold me over from spending stupid $$$. for a minute.

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Maybe I wasn’t clear. The improvement when adding weight is the same if not better. The improvement stock vs stock is drastic. Sorry.


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[cnote]

ok understood. thanks again for the insights!

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[MtnMan210]

The proof you need is seeing what an R series boat does stock with the new system vs the old system. The wave is drastically taller mainly because the system isn't inducing the lift that taps 3 does. This results in a much better factory wave with factory weight, and is most evident in the R line.

HHhhhmmmmmmm interesting thing to consider...

Throwing a little more weight into her (R21 Taps3) on next weeks outing and we'll see how she does....went from factory (subfloor and bags) to an added 700 worth of bags and it was a HUGE difference, now adding up to another 800 worth in a bag and we'll see where she is.

[Germaine Marine]

All awesome info, thank you! one more question. will gsa tabs (and I assume new actuators) work with existing TT2 screen and settings?

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Gsa tabs yes. The new system tige is using no. Only difference is the way tige is driving them and the interface.

Plate design is the same.

We can help ya out with parts direct if needed. Gsa doesn’t usually sell separate from the whole kit


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[BlueTige]

@elevatedconcept... your inbox is full is there a better way to contact you regarding surf tab info/sales